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      从全量里捞

      读取 Hacker News 自 2006 年以来的全部帖子,用关键词先捞出 40 分以上、可能和写作有关的约 1.1 万篇。

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      只留真正讲写作的

      由 AI 逐条判断是否和写作、讲故事、文风、出版有实质关系,剔除“写代码”“编辑器”这类字面撞车,并分进十个类别。

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      提炼可用的要点

      为值得读的帖子写中文导读,提炼 2-4 条可以直接用到自己写作里的要点,并精选翻译 HN 高赞评论。内容由 AI 生成,可能有误。

    写作方法2016themostdangerouswritingapp.com

    最危险的写作应用

    The Most Dangerous Writing App

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    这个网站提供一个“最危险的写作应用”:只要你停笔 5 秒,屏幕就会逐渐淡出,已写的内容全部消失,以此逼你不停敲字、强行进入写作状态。这几条高赞评论从亲身试用和专业写作者的角度,讨论了“靠压力逼出心流”到底是不是好办法,对写作者反思自己的写作节奏很有参考价值。

    关键词 写作工具心流限时写作写作习惯

    可以直接用的写作要点

    1. 01

      靠“不停敲字”制造紧迫感,代价是牺牲了停顿与思考——而思考往往是写作中更该被优先对待的部分。

    2. 02

      真正的心流是不被干扰、全然沉浸,而不是时刻担心“我必须继续打字”的焦虑;焦虑恰恰是心流的反面。

    3. 03

      限时、高压的写作工具更适合当热身或破冰练习,不适合用来写需要保留、需要打磨的重要稿件。

    4. 04

      如果用了这类工具,要提前接受“随时可能被外界打断而丢失内容”的风险,别把珍视的稿子押在上面。

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    强制连续输出会挤掉思考,而思考本应是写作的重要环节。

    我实测了五分钟:一开始看不出这应用“危险”在哪,直到我停下来想了想下一句,屏幕就开始淡出。原来它真正“危险”的地方,是逼着你一刻不停地写下去,几乎不给思考留空间——可有时候,思考才应该被优先对待。

    6stringmerc查看英文原文

    Here's what I bashed out in a 5 minute session: What makes a writing app dangerous? Is it the blank space set up before the writer? Is it the notion of using a form of communication without context? Does it have some other type of functional definition or characteristic that makes it dangerous? Well let's have a look - there's a timer, a generic area for typing that appears to be fully justified, and in the lower left hand corner there is some very faint text illustrating typing speed and some other metrics. I'm still not seeing much of any danger as I would relate to the term. There's a bit of mystery - as in, what is the actual purpose of this other than intrinsic use of the language? Oh, I see. Taking a bit of time to contemplate the next line and the screen starts to fade away. Is it taking the text along? Where does it put the text if it disappears? Will this be chopped up into 140 character components and spread amongst the world a la E-Horse Books? That could be dangerous, at least moreso than a general sense of foreboding that text will be gone if the writer doesn't keep going, and going, and going, which while constructive in its own right, isn't particularly known as the best approach to writing. Sometimes thought should be given a priority. So, at the end of this five minute exercise, we discover what's really dangerous about the program. It's clever. The reason the app is so dangerous is that it prompts a person to keep typing and writing with minimal amount of active thought. Yay.

    心流的本质是沉浸与不被打扰,而不是被计时器逼出来的焦虑。

    (25 年专业写作与编辑经验)他们真以为这样能让人进入心流?我最不需要的就是“必须一直打字”这种无意识的焦虑。心流状态下当然可以思考,但关键在于你意识不到自己在思考、不被干扰、完全活在当下。

    ohjeez查看英文原文

    Really, they think that _this_ is how you get into flow? The last thing I need is an unconscious worry that I must-keep-typing. It's okay to think when you're in flow. But the whole point is that you aren't aware that you're thinking. You're not distracted. You're wholly in-the-moment. Context: Professional writer and editor for 25 years.

    高风险机制适合练手,但不适合用来写需要保留的重要稿件。

    我很喜欢这个点子,但不确定自己用得对不对。规则是停笔 5 秒整个写作会话就“死掉”,写下的东西全部消失,动力确实很强。可正因如此,我不敢用它写任何我想留存的内容——只要五秒钟被外界打断,一切就没了。不过我很高兴它存在,能想象它对某些人非常有用。

    slindz查看英文原文

    I love the idea, but I'm not sure if I'm using it right. The premise is your writing session dies if you go 5 seconds without typing as a means to get you in to flow. When your session 'dies', everything you wrote disappears forever (as far as I can tell) so there's a lot of incentive to keep going whatever the cost. I presume there's some sort of congratulatory messaging/saving opportunity if you last your entire stretch (I didn't last the minimum 5 minutes) Given these stakes, I'd be too nervous to use it for anything I'd actually want to hold on to due to the risk of something out of my control commanding my attention for five seconds. I'm still glad the project exists - it's easy to picture it being great for somebody.

    人为制造的倒计时压力往往让产出效率不升反降。

    概念有趣,但也仅此而已。强制每 5 秒敲一次键,是很糟糕的写作方式。这让我想起那些给面试者限时 30 分钟的算法网站:倒计时接近尾声时变红、闪烁、放大甚至蜂鸣——真去统计那几分钟的产出,效率其实大幅下降。

    jayhuang查看英文原文

    Interesting concept, but little more. Enforcing keystrokes every 5 seconds is a horrible way to facilitate writing. In fact, this reminds me quite a bit of those algorithmic sites that give interviewees a time limit (ie: 30 minutes) to come up with a solution. As the timer approaches 1 minute or so, the timer turns red, blinks, sometimes increases in size, or beeps. I'm sure if you measured the output during those stressful moments, productivity goes down immensely.

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