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工程师们二十年里聊过的写作。

工程师、作家、编辑和创业者在 Hacker News 上聊了二十年“怎么写”:怎么写得清楚、怎么讲好一个故事、技术文档怎么写、小说和出版是怎么回事。这里把其中关于写作与讲故事的帖子挑出来,配上中文导读、可以直接用的写作要点和评论翻译。

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    1. 01

      从全量里捞

      读取 Hacker News 自 2006 年以来的全部帖子,用关键词先捞出 40 分以上、可能和写作有关的约 1.1 万篇。

    2. 02

      只留真正讲写作的

      由 AI 逐条判断是否和写作、讲故事、文风、出版有实质关系,剔除“写代码”“编辑器”这类字面撞车,并分进十个类别。

    3. 03

      提炼可用的要点

      为值得读的帖子写中文导读,提炼 2-4 条可以直接用到自己写作里的要点,并精选翻译 HN 高赞评论。内容由 AI 生成,可能有误。

    博客与个人写作2010blog.antoniocangiano.com

    写博客的一条简单准则

    A simple guideline for blogging

    阅读原文 HN 讨论
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    14条评论
    4条写作要点

    导读

    这篇讨论博客写作的一条简单准则,核心争议在于开博客和找选题的顺序:很多人先决定"要有博客"再硬凑内容,而真正好的博客往往源于"有话要说"。评论还延伸到如何用人物故事承载抽象观点,对写作者有实际启发。

    关键词 博客写作写作动机观点与故事写作状态

    可以直接用的写作要点

    1. 01

      先有话要说再开博客:为了"应该有个博客"而硬凑选题,写出来的内容往往空洞。

    2. 02

      把抽象观点包进人物和故事里讲,读者更容易进入,如《苏菲的世界》用人物对话讲哲学。

    3. 03

      警惕通篇靠引用名人观点撑起文章,写作者要有自己的声音,否则主题会变成别人的想法。

    4. 04

      留意写作状态:疲惫分心时容易滑向闲聊八卦,精力集中时才更适合处理有深度的想法。

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    开博客的决定不该先于"有话要说";为商业计划硬凑内容的博客往往不好。

    我觉得说得够好,但文章里藏着一种现在很普遍、我却觉得奇怪的假设:决定开博客先于决定写什么。几乎所有谈博客的文章和大多数博客,都源于个人或公司说"我们该有个博客",然后才讨论往里放什么。我觉得确实有过一个时期,更大比例的博客源于某人有话要说;当博客是表达自我或与人交流的方式时,它往往就好。但如今大量博客文化由为完成商业计划而建站、需要硬凑内容的博主构成。我自己也开了个新博客却完全没有内容,因为我还没什么可说——因此也不清楚是否真需要它。部分原因是我的写作转移到了更直接社交的场所,如HN、推特或论坛;但人总有种感觉:有个受欢迎的博客会带来更多声望、曝光和专业价值。于是你开了博客,然后就得……

    crux查看英文原文

    I think that's well enough, but I also think that wrapped up somewhere in that blog post is the assumption—which is now terribly widespread but still strange to me—that the decision to blog comes before the decision on what to blog about. It seems like nearly all the writing about blogging (like this article), and nearly all the blogs themselves, are the product of either an individual or a company saying, 'I/we should definitely have a blog.' Only then is the next step occupied by a discussion about what to put in it. Call me simplistic but I feel like there was indeed a time when a much greater proportion of blogs were the direct result of someone having something to say. When a blog is the means by which somebody expresses themselves, or communicates with others, it tends to be good. But I think that a great deal of blogging culture, by now, tends to consist of bloggers who started websites to fulfill some business plan, and who need to rustle up things to say. Even I have a new blog that I started (you can see it at zdsmith.com, but:) that has absolutely no content in it. Because I haven't had anything to say yet. Frankly, it's not therefore apparent that I need it at all. Part of this is because my writing has migrated to more socially direct venues, like HN, or twitter, or message boards. But nevertheless one has the sense that if one has a popular blog, that there's much more prestige and exposure and professional value in it. So you start a blog, and then you have to find a quote to begin a discussion about what to blog about. If I had a lot to say (and it was most suited to the rather these-days relatively long form of the blog), wouldn't guidelines like that be kind of superfluous?

    指出帖子九成篇幅在讲罗斯福夫人的观点,提醒写作者别让引用盖过自己的声音。

    我同意这种观点,这是个高尚的想法和事业,不过你不觉得讽刺吗——你帖子的90%都在讲罗斯福夫人的想法和观点。

    gregory80查看英文原文

    I agree with the sentiment, it's a noble idea and cause, however, don't you find it ironic that 90% of your post is about the thoughts and ideas of Mrs. Roosevelt?

    把抽象观点放进关于人的讨论和故事里,更容易被读者接受。

    把第一点和最后一点结合起来怎么样——把想法包裹在关于人的讨论中?就像《苏菲的世界》那本书一样。

    maxklein查看英文原文

    What about combining the first and the last - wrap an idea in a discussion about people? Like in the book Sophies World: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie's_World

    人的谈话内容随状态变化:疲惫时闲聊,投入时谈想法,写作也受状态影响。

    我一直想质疑那些大家习以为常的精辟格言,但这一条在我的经验中似乎站得住脚。我注意到,如果我疲惫、分心、不在状态,我会倾向于闲聊八卦;当我完全投入、大脑感觉全速运转时,我在谈论某种想法;介于两者之间时,多半是在谈事情或需要做的事。

    awakeasleep查看英文原文

    I've always felt like questioning the pithy sayings everyone takes for granted, but this one seems to hold up, in my experience. I notice that if I'm tired and distracted and not with it, I trend towards gossipy talk, and when I'm fully engaged and my brain feels like it's firing on all cylinders, I'm talking about some sort of idea. In between, it's mostly talk about things or stuff that needs to be done.

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