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      从全量里捞

      读取 Hacker News 自 2006 年以来的全部帖子,用关键词先捞出 40 分以上、可能和写作有关的约 1.1 万篇。

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      只留真正讲写作的

      由 AI 逐条判断是否和写作、讲故事、文风、出版有实质关系,剔除“写代码”“编辑器”这类字面撞车,并分进十个类别。

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      提炼可用的要点

      为值得读的帖子写中文导读,提炼 2-4 条可以直接用到自己写作里的要点,并精选翻译 HN 高赞评论。内容由 AI 生成,可能有误。

    写作与思考2019blog.stephsmith.io编辑精选

    写作即思考:学会自信地写作

    Writing Is Thinking: Learning to Write with Confidence

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    导读

    这是一篇讲“写作即思考”的博客:作者认为写作不是把想好的东西誊写出来,而是借助写作本身把想法想清楚,因此写作者应当建立信心、敢于先写烂稿。对写作者的价值在于,它把“写不出来”重新解释为“还没开始写”,并给出可操作的心态与方法;评论区也从信心受挫、写信理清思路、改稿即工作等角度补充了实战经验。

    关键词 写作信心写作即思考改稿方法假想读者

    可以直接用的写作要点

    1. 01

      把写作当成想清楚的过程:先动笔写出粗糙的一稿,思路会在修改中逐渐成形,而不是等想法完美了再写。

    2. 02

      允许自己写得不好:先有“东西”,再反复改写、删减、朗读、质疑,好文章是改出来的而不是等出来的。

    3. 03

      找到具体的倾诉对象(哪怕不寄出的信),有人可解释时思路会更快聚焦,表达也更有针对性。

    4. 04

      别因为别人挑出一个用词错误就否定自己的写作能力;同时记住自己犯的错往往有规律,改稿时重点盯防重复出现的同类问题。

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    一句刻薄的挑错评论足以击垮写作者的信心,写作者要学会不被个别吹毛求疵的反馈定义自己。

    我用葡萄牙语写作很有信心,后来英语写作也有了信心,甚至开始写一份英文的写作建议通讯。结果有 HN 用户在我的文章下评论:“我不相信一个认为 'certificated' 是个词的人给的写作建议。” lol 这句话几乎摧毁了我用英语写作的信心,我放弃了做通讯的念头。

    soneca查看英文原文

    I write in Portuguese with confidence. Then I started to get confidence writing in English. Then I got confident enough to start writing a newsletter with writing advice in English [0] Then someone in HN commented in one of my posts "I don't trust any writing advice from someone who thinks "certificated" is a word" lol That killed most of my confidence of writing in English and I gave up the idea of having a newsletter. [0] https://writingfordevelopers.substack.com

    设定一个具体的假想读者(哪怕不寄出的信),能有效聚焦思路、理清想法。

    当我陷入混乱或心情不好时,常用的一招是给人写信但不寄出去。心里装着某个需要你把这一团乱麻解释清楚的人,思路就会异常集中,也能更快更容易地看清自己的处境。

    atoav查看英文原文

    A technique I often use when I ended up in a confused spot or feel unhappy is to write letters to a person without sending them. Somehow having a person in mind that you have to explain the whole mess to, really fucuses your thoughts and helps you in some way to figure out where you stand faster and more easily.

    写作是持续修改的劳动而非等待灵感;人的错误有规律,改稿时要针对性防范自己的习惯性错误。

    思考是思考,写作是写作,两者别混为一谈。写作是干活:你先在纸上(或电脑里)写出一些字,然后不停修改直到它不再糟糕——从“有点东西”开始,以“更好的东西”结束。大学写作老师教你的其实是你犯的错,要记住它们,因为人犯错是有系统的、不是随机的,你会再犯同样的错。我大学时的诀窍是提前一周交初稿:它绝不完美,但它是“东西”,大致说出了我想说的。之后我改写、编辑、删减、补充、纠正、换词、调整顺序、加引用、排版、拼写检查、语法检查、朗读、质疑……一路干到截止日期。我不是在等灵感降临,我是在干活,而且干得挺享受。

    CalChris查看英文原文

    Thinking is thinking and writing is writing. We regret the confusion. Writing is work. You start with words on paper (or on a laptop) and you keep on working until it isn't crap. You start with something. You end with something better. What your college writing instructors were teaching you was your mistakes. Think about them and remember them. When they pointed out a mistake, keep on a lookout because you'll make that mistake again. People don't make random mistakes. They are very systematic in their mistakes. I still remember my corrections. When I was in college my trick was to get a draft done a week before the deadline. It wasn't perfect. It was anything but perfect. But it was something. It said roughly, not perfectly by any stretch, what I wanted to say. Then I wrote, rewrote, edited, deleted, added, corrected, reworded, reordered, cited, formatted, spell checked, grammar checked, perfected, critiqued, tweaked, read aloud, questioned, ... on up to the deadline. I worked. I didn't think. I worked. I didn't wait for some great thought to descend upon me from the clouds at the deadline (that works for Maureen Dowd but I'm not Maureen Dowd; she has talent and I don't). I worked. Fact is, I enjoyed my work. Pretty much a day before the deadline, I was damned cocky about my writing (lowest essay grade, A-) and then I really started having fun. At that point, I was relaxed and I really knew what I wanted. Like a cook who enjoys their own cooking, when I go back to re-read it, I thoroughly enjoy my own writing. The work and the craft show, to me at least. And if it doesn't show to me then it can't show to someone else. Writing is work. It is closer to restaurant prep than it is to confiserie.

    先口头讲述自己真正感兴趣的内容,再把说出来的话写成文字,是绕开写作障碍的有效路径。

    我中学时写作文很吃力,现在的建议是:跟学生聊他真正喜欢的东西——游戏、电影、体育、科学什么都行。问他为什么喜欢、哪里酷、做起来是什么感觉。等他说上十分钟,再让他把刚说的话全部写下来。我觉得大多数人聊自己喜欢的东西都不缺话,我当时要是被问的是 D&D,肯定能说上一千到五千字,而且正是我想讲给另一个孩子听的那些话。另外我也怀疑互联网其实是加分的:人们虽写短推文,但很多人会写很长的评论——这条评论本身就比我八年级时任何一篇老师命题作文都长。

    greggman2查看英文原文

    I know I struggled with writing when I was in junior high and high school. Now as an adult I find it relatively easy I think. My advice to my junior high school teacher would be to talk to the student (me) about something they enjoy. Whatever that is today I have no idea. Fortnite? Boys? Girls? whatever, ask what the kid is into. Then ask questions about it. Why do they like it? What's so cool about it. What's it like to do. Etc.. After they've talked your ear off for 10 minutes tell them to just write everything they just told you. No idea if that would work but I feel like most people have no trouble talking about things they enjoy. Could be a movie, a TV show, a sport, science, twitter, instagram, no idea. If my 8th grade teacher had not asked me to write but instead just talked with me about say D&D, something I was into, I'm sure I could have spoken 1000-5000 words on it. The same words I'd have said to another kid I wanted to introduce D&D to them. I believe that would have helped me write sooner. I also wonder if the internet is a net plus here. People write short tweets but lots of people write long comments. This comment itself is more than I think I ever wrote on a teacher chosen topic in 8th grade.

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