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      从全量里捞

      读取 Hacker News 自 2006 年以来的全部帖子,用关键词先捞出 40 分以上、可能和写作有关的约 1.1 万篇。

    2. 02

      只留真正讲写作的

      由 AI 逐条判断是否和写作、讲故事、文风、出版有实质关系,剔除“写代码”“编辑器”这类字面撞车,并分进十个类别。

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      提炼可用的要点

      为值得读的帖子写中文导读,提炼 2-4 条可以直接用到自己写作里的要点,并精选翻译 HN 高赞评论。内容由 AI 生成,可能有误。

    写作方法2021forge.medium.com编辑精选

    如何让写作轻松许多

    How to Make Writing a Lot Easier

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    导读

    这篇 Medium 文章讲如何把写作变轻松、做到每周写一万字,核心是持续输出、不停笔。评论区反而更值得读:有人批评原文本身是未编辑的草稿、没有兑现标题承诺,也有人讨论技术类文章该不该大谈个人感受,另外两条给出了「先写再删」和「卡片笔记(Zettelkasten)」两套可操作的方法。对写作者来说,这是一次关于「产量与质量、初稿与编辑」的现场教学。

    关键词 写作方法初稿与修改卡片笔记写作风格

    可以直接用的写作要点

    1. 01

      把初稿当只读日志:先不停笔地写下去,把想到的都倒到页面上,回头再删,别在写的时候改。

    2. 02

      区分「喜欢写」和「喜欢写完」两种作者,认清自己属于哪一种,再用适合的流程安排写作。

    3. 03

      技术类文章开头就直接进入问题,个人感受点到为止,否则容易让想解决问题的读者立刻关掉页面。

    4. 04

      用卡片笔记的方式积累素材:随手记零散想法,定期整理成一条一个概念、彼此链接的永久笔记,写作时只需把相关笔记串成文章。

    HN 评论精选

    原文只是未编辑的草稿,字数目标不等于可读性,修改要从大幅删减开始。

    这条评论先说原作者的写作状态(整天写、晚上还在「酝酿」),然后直接批评文章本身:这只是初稿,可能有一点好想法的苗头,但基本读不下去,是意识流,没有兑现标题的承诺。也许它确实兑现了——如果目标就是字数,那永不修改、把屏幕当只追加的日志文件一直写下去也是一种策略。评论者说他来是想拿到可操作的建议,读到一半作者连他能认同的问题都还没说清楚,并给出了修改起点:先删掉一半字,再删掉剩下的一半,然后重新开始。

    aazaa查看英文原文

    > It’s a lot of writing to do in any given week, but I don’t care. I want to write it all. I write all day to work, and then I think about writing all night to relax. In the late afternoon and evening, I am constantly, to paraphrase the great Walter Mosley, “percolating.” I remember an author once saying there are two kinds of authors: those who like to write and those who like to have written. The interviewee was in the latter category. Given that this article is about writing, here's a comment on the writing itself. It needs a rewrite. It's a good rough draft with maybe the kernel of a good idea, but in its current form is barely readable. It's stream of consciousness writing that doesn't fulfill the promise made in the title. Or, maybe it does in fact fulfill that promise. If the goal is quantity of words - and 10,000 words a week in particular then never editing a rough draft is one strategy to get there. Just keep writing, never stopping to reconsider anything. Treat the screen you're typing on as an append-only log file. If so, well played! There are readers who like to read and those who like to have read something. I went to this article with the intent of getting actionable advice to make writing easier. Half way through the article, this author hasn't even articulated a problem I can identify with. Here's how to start the edit. Throw away half the words, then throw away the half that are left. Now start again. Maybe the difference between writers who like to write and those who like to have written is that the latter take editing the mess they've created far more seriously than the former.

    「我爱这个话题」式的开场会劝退部分读者,技术写作应慎用情绪化开头。

    提出一个文化差异的疑问:现在很多技术类博客一开头或显著位置就写作者对该主题的感受,这篇文章就是典型例子——开头就是「我爱写作,每一个该死的细节都爱」。评论者个人很反感这种写法,有时会烦到直接关掉标签页,哪怕原本对主题感兴趣。他也承认这更多说明他自己的偏好。但他观察到这种现象越来越常见,于是好奇:这是不是某地学校在教的写作风格?在他上学的地方和年代绝对不是,但也许别处在鼓励这种写法,希望得到见解。

    kleiba查看英文原文

    Here's a question about possible cultural differences: I notice that a good number of blog posts I come across these days, that are actually about a technical topic, either start with or prominently feature the authors feelings toward the topic. This post is a great example for what I mean, it starts with "I love writing. Every little goddamn bit of it." I'm personally really turned off by that particular writing style. Sometimes it annoys me so much that I close the tab right away, even though I was originally interested in the topic. That probably tells you more about me than about the authors. (Ha! I just made that comment about myself, too. Take that, bloggers!) But the fact that I see this happening frequently now makes me wonder: is that perhaps a writing style that is taught in school somewhere? Certainly not in the place and at the time that I went to school but it could be that this style is perhaps actively encouraged somewhere else? I'd be grateful for any insights / experiences.

    先动笔乱写、再删掉废话,是克服空白页恐惧的有效办法。

    几年前在游戏杂志实习时,一位编辑给了一个让写作变轻松的妙招:「先写起来。想写什么都行,但就是写、写、一直写。你想写的东西最终会出现在页面上,然后你再把那些东拉西扯的废话删掉。」这对评论者帮助很大,因为他的问题就是面对空白页无从下手。

    glanzwulf查看英文原文

    A few years back I did an internship at a gaming magazine and one of the editors gave me a great tip to make writing a lot easier: "Just start writing. Write whatever you want but write and write and keep writing. Eventually what you want will appear on the page and you'll edit out the random blabbering". Made a huge difference for me because my problem was the initial blank page.

    平时积累并整理互链的原子笔记,写作就变成把现成笔记组装成文。

    介绍「卡片笔记法(Zettelkasten)」:阅读、学习、研究、思考时随手在笔记里记下「闪念笔记」,只记不想忘的想法,轻松自然,不用面对空白页;然后定期(每天或每周)处理这些笔记,把关键洞见放进「写作收件箱」,整理成「常青原子笔记」——一个概念一条、标题清楚、干净有序,并通过链接、标签、文件夹互相关联,方便日后检索;等到要写作时,你手上已经有一个按主题组织、彼此链接的好想法库,只需挑几条相关笔记组合成文章、编辑并补上空缺。这样永远不必对着空白页发呆,而是在生活中自然记录、整理,再组装成文章、视频或书。

    lumenwrites查看英文原文

    A very interesting approach I have discovered recently is "Zettelkasten". To summarize: - Whenever you're reading/learning/researching/thinking something, you write down "fleeting" notes in your journal, just jotting down ideas you don't want to forget. It's effortless and natural, doesn't feel as scary as writing, you're not staring at the blank page, you're just collecting useful ideas as you live and work. - Then you try to process these notes regularly (daily or weekly) - take the key insights you want to remember, add them to your "writing inbox", through the inbox and turn the notes into "evergreen atomic notes" - a cleaned up and organized version of your fleeting notes. You turn each useful idea into a single, concise note with a good title. One concept per note. Interlink the notes - link the note to related ideas, add tags, put notes into folders, whatever makes it easy to search through them later on. - When it's time to write, you have an archive of all the most useful ideas you have learned, organized by subject, interlinked with each other. Now all you have to do is take several related notes, compose them into an article, edit and fill in the blanks. So you never have to stare at the blank page. You naturally write as you live, then you organize your thoughts a little better into the evergreen notes, then you organize these notes into articles, videos, books, whatever you want to produce. You can learn more about it in the amazing series of posts here: https://publish.obsidian.md/andymatuschak/Evergreen+notes I got into the whole thing after learning about Obsidian (https://obsidian.md/), a cool app for writing and organizing such notes (no affiliation, I just like it). I was already writing down all my notes in Editorial (a really cool iOS app, unfortunately hasn't been updated in a long time, 1Writer is a great alternative). But I would never reread them or turn them into anything useful to anyone. Taking the extra step of cleaning up and organizing my notes is very helpful, now I do this for everything - personal stuff, my work projects, everything Im learning about tech, writing, etc.

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