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      从全量里捞

      读取 Hacker News 自 2006 年以来的全部帖子,用关键词先捞出 40 分以上、可能和写作有关的约 1.1 万篇。

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      只留真正讲写作的

      由 AI 逐条判断是否和写作、讲故事、文风、出版有实质关系,剔除“写代码”“编辑器”这类字面撞车,并分进十个类别。

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      提炼可用的要点

      为值得读的帖子写中文导读,提炼 2-4 条可以直接用到自己写作里的要点,并精选翻译 HN 高赞评论。内容由 AI 生成,可能有误。

    语言与文风2022twitter.com

    Google Docs将“提醒你避开不当用词”

    Google Docs will “warn you away from inappropriate words”

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    这条推文讨论 Google Docs 将提示“不当词汇”的功能,评论围绕平台对语言的隐性影响、用户需求与政治敏感性展开。对写作者而言,它提醒我们用词选择从来不是中立的,平台、场景和读者背景都会影响表达是否恰当。

    关键词 用词选择语境平台影响政治正确

    可以直接用的写作要点

    1. 01

      留意写作工具或平台的用词建议可能带有特定价值观,写作时要有意识选择,而非盲从。

    2. 02

      正式文档与社交媒体的语言规范不同,应根据受众和场景调整措辞。

    3. 03

      避免使用可能带有政治敏感或情感色彩的词汇,必要时用更中性的表达,但也要保留表达权利。

    4. 04

      语境决定用词是否恰当,同一个词在不同群体中感受不同,写作前要考虑读者背景。

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    大型平台对语言的微小改动会通过其规模影响现实世界,写作者应警惕平台对用词的隐性塑造。

    我认为这种担忧是合理的,不一定就是“老大哥”或“企业霸主”。谷歌规模太大,任何立场无论多微小都有巨大影响力。例如《纽约时报》文章提到,旧金山一个地区几十年来叫 Rincon Hill、South Beach 或 South of Market,今年春天谷歌地图突然改名为“East Cut”。这个奇怪的名字立刻在酒店网站、约会应用、Uber 等使用谷歌地图数据的地方传播,随后进入现实世界:房产信息用这个名字,新闻机构也这样称呼该地区。我的观点是,这看似微不足道,但在谷歌的规模下,它实际上影响了现实世界,我个人不放心让谷歌决定哪些词是正确的。

    2bitencryption查看英文原文

    I think there's a valid concern with this; a concern which is not necessarily distilled down to "big brother" or "corporate overlords". Google is so large that any stance they take, no matter how minuscule, has immense influence. Case in point, from this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/02/technology/google-maps-neighborhood-names.html > For decades, the district south of downtown and alongside San Francisco Bay here was known as either Rincon Hill, South Beach or South of Market. This spring, it was suddenly rebranded on Google Maps to a name few had heard: the East Cut. > The peculiar moniker immediately spread digitally, from hotel sites to dating apps to Uber, which all use Google’s map data. The name soon spilled over into the physical world, too. Real-estate listings beckoned prospective tenants to the East Cut. And news organizations referred to the vicinity by that term. My point is, it might seem like a small, inconspicuous change. But at Google-scale, this actually has an impact on the real world, and personally I don't feel confident with Google deciding what words are the correct words.

    工具的功能可能源于用户需求,正式文档的写作场景需要更规范的用词。

    这是谷歌的公告。你可以认为谷歌想管束人们,也可以认为谷歌看到大量用户使用 Grammarly 且明显想要这个功能。(记住,Google Docs 用于很多正式文档,不是聊天应用或 Twitter 克隆。)事实证明,很多人选择包容和不煽动。

    gkoberger查看英文原文

    Here's the announcement from Google: https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/2022/03/more-assistive-writing-suggestions-in.html You could think of it as Google wanting to police people, OR you could see it as Google seeing that a ton of people use Grammarly and clearly want this feature. (Remember, Google Docs is used for lots of formal docs. It's not a chat app or Twitter clone.) As it turns out, a lot of people choose to be inclusive and non-inflammatory.

    对“不当词汇”的判定可能受政治和意识形态影响,写作中要注意委婉语与敏感词背后的立场。

    “乌克兰战争”——这个说法可能冒犯那些偏好“特别军事行动”的人。而且你似乎从俄罗斯 IP 访问 Google Docs,所以可能面临 15 年监禁。请重新考虑。“台湾这个国家”——我们建议改为“中华台北”。“恐怖分子”——这个词带有情感色彩,可以换成“武装分子”。“要有信仰”——可能冒犯无神论者,“要有信心”也可以。“穆罕默德”——你是指先知(愿主福安之)吗?另外,本页不能插入任何类似人类的图像,以防万一。

    inglor_cz查看英文原文

    "war in Ukraine" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This expression may be offensive to people who prefer the expression "special military operation". Also, you seem to be accessing Google Docs from a Russian IP, so you can potentially be locked up for 15 years. Please reconsider ... ============================================================================ "the country of Taiwan" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We suggest "Chinese Taipei" instead. ============================================================================ "terrorists" ~~~~~~~~~~~~ This word is emotionally charged and could be substituted with "militants". ============================================================================ "have faith" ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Could be offensive to atheists. "be confident" works as well. ============================================================================ "Muhammad" ~~~~~~~~~~ Do you mean the Prophet (PBUH)? Also, you cannot insert any images that resemble humans on this page, just in case.

    用词是否“适当”高度依赖语境和身份,写作中应尊重具体语境而非一刀切标准。

    我不太确定自己的感受,标题有点刺耳,但这是他们自己的文档。除了“房东”这个例子,很难真正感受它在做什么。这个例子很奇怪,我从没见过有人抱怨“landlord”这个词。无论如何,我不喜欢谷歌或任何公司有权在私人文档中规定什么在社会上可接受,尤其是重要语境很可能被忽略。补充:我是 gay,对相关的“F”词有特定使用场景,我几乎可以肯定它会提示,但使用它也是我的权利。有些人对“Queer”感到冒犯,有些人不,社区里有过激烈辩论。我不希望谷歌对此采取立场。编辑:我测试了一下,似乎目前只在 workspace 文档中,不是整个 Google Docs。

    nerdjon查看英文原文

    I don't really know how I feel about this, the headline is a bit jarring but I guess it is from their own documentation. But without more than the one "landlord" example, it is hard to really get a feel for what this may be doing. That is a strange example though... I have never seen anyone complain about the word "landlord". Regardless, I don't like the idea of Google or any company having the power to dictate what is socially acceptable or not in what should be a private document. Especially when important context will likely be missed. To add. I am gay, I have certain use cases for the related "F" word. I can almost guarantee it will complain about it... but using it is also my right. And some people find "Queer" offenses and some do not, I have seen some heavy debates about it in the community. I would not want Google to take a stance on that. Edit: I was curious to test this theory for myself. It looks like this is only in a workspace document and not google docs as a whole right now. So... maybe someone else can confirm what happens?

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