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      从全量里捞

      读取 Hacker News 自 2006 年以来的全部帖子,用关键词先捞出 40 分以上、可能和写作有关的约 1.1 万篇。

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      只留真正讲写作的

      由 AI 逐条判断是否和写作、讲故事、文风、出版有实质关系,剔除“写代码”“编辑器”这类字面撞车,并分进十个类别。

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      提炼可用的要点

      为值得读的帖子写中文导读,提炼 2-4 条可以直接用到自己写作里的要点,并精选翻译 HN 高赞评论。内容由 AI 生成,可能有误。

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    连续365天每天写750字,我学到了什么

    What I learned from writing 750 words a day for 365 days

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    这篇文章记录作者连续365天、每天写750词的体验与收获。对写作者的价值在于把“持续写”和“大量写”变成可实践的日常方法,同时提醒:练习需要反馈,好文章往往来自好编辑。

    关键词 持续写作写作习惯编辑修改大量练习

    可以直接用的写作要点

    1. 01

      给自己设定固定的日产量(如每天750词),连续写作,不因某天中断就放弃整个习惯。

    2. 02

      练习必须配合反馈和修改,否则可能只是强化坏习惯;写完要回头编辑。

    3. 03

      写作时尽量全屏、清除干扰,先大量堆出素材,再像雕塑一样删改。

    4. 04

      用规模换取惊喜:大量写、定期回看旧稿,能发现意外的好想法,也能更冷静地编辑。

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    连续性的关键是绝不连续缺席两天;质量通常来自数量。

    我最大的动力——现在已接近三年每天写作、通常500到2000词,没有断过一天——同样适用于锻炼和无数你不想丢掉的习惯:漏掉一天就可能漏掉两天,漏掉两天就全完了。想要生活和纪律上保持一致,这句话值得遵循。我也快两年每天锻炼没断过,同样哲学激励我。补充一条:通往质量的路通常来自数量。

    spodek查看英文原文

    My biggest motivation, now nearing three years without missing a day writing usually 500 to 2,000 words daily, which applies to exercise and a million other habits you don't want to lose, is If you miss one day you can miss two, if you miss two it's all over. (which I wrote up here -- http://joshuaspodek.com/a-model-for-consistency) Words to live by if you want consistency and discipline in your life. I'm also coming up on two years without missing a single day of exercising, for which the same philosophy motivates me -- http://joshuaspodek.com/burpees-the-one-year-review EDIT: Another lesson I learned: That the route to quality generally comes from quantity -- http://joshuaspodek.com/route-quality-quantity.

    练习需要反馈否则会固化坏习惯;减少干扰;好写作主要是好编辑,先堆料再雕刻。

    几点观察:只有通过经验才能变好。但记住,进步需要练习和反馈。练习正在形成错误习惯的东西,只会通过强化神经通路巩固坏习惯。这是音乐、体育、体操、力量训练等技能活动的关键原则,也是格拉德威尔“一万小时”前提的细微之处。全屏/消除干扰:我完全同意。全屏未必绝对必要(我写作时常有参考资料),但清除环境干扰非常有用。讽刺的是 Ben 用动态 gif 突出博文(我用 Chrome 元素屏蔽插件去掉了)。一般我会改常访问网站的 CSS,或用 Readability/Pocket/Instapaper 获得简化统一、以文本为主的呈现。好写作主要是好编辑:绝对同意。我长期觉得像黏土雕塑:先堆上一堆,再雕掉不该在的,偶尔移动一些块。

    dredmorbius查看英文原文

    A couple of observations: You can only get better with experience. But remember that improving requires both practice and feedback. Practicing something that's developing the wrong habits will just reinforce those bad habits through neural pathway strengthening. This is a key principle in many skill activities (music, sports, gymnastics, strength training). It's one of the nuances to Gladwell's "10,000 hours" premise. Go Full Screen / Eliminate distractions I'd have to heartily agree. Full screen might not be entirely necessary (I often have reference or other materials present while composing), but removing distracting elements from my environment is hugely useful. It's also ironic to note Ben's use of animated gifs to highlight his blog post (I ended up removing both with the Chrome element blocker plugin). In general I either modify the CSS for sites I visit frequently, or use tools such as Readability (or Pocket or Instapaper) to provide simplified, streamlined, uniform, text-dominant presentations of online material (curating and tagging the content is an added bonus). good writing is mostly good editing Absolutely. I've long considered it a bit like sculpting in clay. First you gob a bunch of stuff up there, then you start carving away at what shouldn't be there, occasionally moving bits around.

    应建立编辑互助机制,因为编辑是提升写作的关键。

    好写作主要是好编辑:绝对同意。互联网需要某种协作网站,人们可以用编辑来交换文章投稿。这样大家都能提升编辑技能,而真正的影响就在那里。

    DanielBMarkham查看英文原文

    good writing is mostly good editing Absolutely. What the internet needs is some collaborative site where people can trade editing for article submissions. That way everybody can get better at their editing skills, which is where the real impact can be made.

    大量写作加定期回看,能发现意外好想法,并让编辑更冷静。

    我正处在类似事情的早期:目标1000次、每次1000词,目前第110多次。主要学到:如果一直往前写、不回头看,大量产出且少做预先筛选,我一定会让自己惊讶。pg 说过类似的话:尚未被行动过的最好想法,必然是那些看起来像坏想法的好想法。同样,我得到的许多好文字起初感觉像无意义的废话,事后看却暴露、有说服力、有趣。所以我追求真正规模。已写了约11万词意识流废话,赌到50万词会挖出宝石。只要有某种反思,就会边写边成长;我通过给早期草稿写摘要来反思。大量写作另一个好处是更抽离,不觉得在“杀掉自己的孩子”,能用冷静计算、非个人的编辑笔法处理,因为体量让你(以好的方式)脱敏。陶艺比喻:如果一直想完美第一只陶罐,它可能仍很糟。

    visakanv查看英文原文

    I'm in the early stage of something similar: I'm going for 1000 sessions of 1000 words each. I'm currently in the 0110s. The main thing I'm learning is: If I keep going without looking back, if I churn out lots and lots of material with minimal pre-selecting, I WILL surprise myself. I think pg wrote something along the lines of- the best ideas that haven't already been acted upon are the good ideas that NECESSARILY look like bad ideas. Similarly, a lot of the good writing I get is what "feels" like meaningless drivel (at the beginning), but on hindsight turns out to be revealing, compelling, interesting. (This is all subjective, of course, but the response from others can be telling.) So that's what I'm going for, by chasing real scale. I've written about 110,000 words of stream-of-consciousness drivel so far. I'm betting that I unearth some interesting gems when I'm at around 500,000. As long as there is SOME degree of reflection, you will learn and grow as you go. I do this by writing summaries of my earlier drafts that interest me. Another cool thing that happens when you write in large quantities is that you get more detached from your writing, and you don't feel like you're "killing your babies"- you can approach it with the cold, calculative and impersonal editor's pen because the sheer volume desensitizes you, in a good way. A pottery metaphor. If you spend all your time trying to perfect the first pot you make, it'll probably still look like crap. If you try to make 1,000 pots as quickly as you can, some of those pots will surprise you with how they turn out, and you'll learn a lot more about the nuances of pottery in the process. Same with writing. For me, at least.

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