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      从全量里捞

      读取 Hacker News 自 2006 年以来的全部帖子,用关键词先捞出 40 分以上、可能和写作有关的约 1.1 万篇。

    2. 02

      只留真正讲写作的

      由 AI 逐条判断是否和写作、讲故事、文风、出版有实质关系,剔除“写代码”“编辑器”这类字面撞车,并分进十个类别。

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      提炼可用的要点

      为值得读的帖子写中文导读,提炼 2-4 条可以直接用到自己写作里的要点,并精选翻译 HN 高赞评论。内容由 AI 生成,可能有误。

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    《纽约客》是如何做文字编辑的

    How copy editing is done at the New Yorker

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    导读

    这是一篇关于《纽约客》杂志如何做文字编辑的访谈,核心是这本杂志对细节近乎偏执的把关。对写作者来说值得读的地方在于:它让人看到专业编辑不只润色文字,还会把稿子里的每一条事实逐项核实,不能证明的就删掉。

    关键词 事实核查文字编辑纽约客删减

    可以直接用的写作要点

    1. 01

      编辑不等于润色句子:稿子里每个数字、头衔、排名都要有可查证的来源,写的时候就留好证据。

    2. 02

      采访两小时、成稿七段——好稿子往往是大量素材被大幅压缩的结果,要舍得删。

    3. 03

      交稿前自己先做一遍事实核查,把可能被追问的细节列成清单,提前备好一手材料。

    4. 04

      被编辑追问细节是常态而非刁难,回应得越具体,稿子越站得住。

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    《纽约客》的严谨来自两道工序:极长的采访被压成极短的篇幅,以及逐条核实每一个事实——无法证明的细节会被直接删掉。

    九年前《纽约客》的“城中话题”栏目给我写过一小段。此前我已被采访过十来次,还上过电视和《60分钟》,多数采访只有五到十分钟,却写成好几页;而 Peter Maass 采访我花了两个多小时,最后只成了七段——小到翻杂志都找不到(这不是抱怨,能上《纽约客》我已经非常高兴)。更重要的是,采访之后第二天,一位不讲情面的事实核查员打来电话,她手上有一份预先列好的清单,涵盖文章中将要提到的每一个(每一个)事实:“你说这首歌在若干天内被下载了多少次,有日志能证明吗?”“你说你注册在犹他大学,但他们付印前给不出证明——你有证明吗?”(我没有,这条被删掉了。)“你说你曾在 mp3.com 民谣类排第一,他们拒绝置评、说毫不知情,你有……”

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    9 years ago there was a small writeup about me in the New Yorker- http://www.petermaass.com/articles/the_supercool_top-secret_dvd-decoder_song/ - small as in it was in the "talk of the town" section, which tends to cover trivial things in a column or so. That one write-up of the incident changed my perception of the media profoundly. I had been interviewed probably a dozen times before the interview with Peter Maass, and had even appeared on TV (some Canadian show I don't remember)- and had been mentioned in 60-minutes. Most of the interviews were probably 5-10 minutes long and resulted in multi-page articles. The interview with Peter took over two hours and resulted in the 7 paragraphs that you can't even find leafing through the issue because it's so small (not a complaint, btw- I was just super pleased to be in the New Yorker at all). More importantly, though, in addition to the two hour interview, I received a call from a no-nonsense "fact-checker" the day after. She had a pre-compiled list of every (_every_) fact Peter was going to mention in his article. It went something like this: "You say you had [x] downloads of the song in [x] days. Do you have logs that can prove this to some degree?" "You say you are enrolled at the University of Utah but they cannot get us proof before we go to print- do you have proof?" (I didn't, it was nixed). "You say you were ranked #1 in folk-songs at mp3.com- they have chosen not to comment and say they have no idea. Do you have proof?" (thankfully I had taken a screenshot that mp3.com verified as accurate). This went on for _3 hours_ and several emails and physical mailings. Of all the other blogs, tv shows, magazines, newspapers, etc. that talked to me- (btw, I'm embarrassed to say I hadn't really heard of blogs until then)- guess how many did _any_ sort of fact checking? None. The thought occurred to me then that if they went through that much trouble for something more or less in the gossip section, I could probably trust their more meaty articles. More importantly it showed me that there are definitely worlds of difference between how media vets what they report. Edit: Now I just read the magazine for the cartoons though because of pressures on my time (:

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