写作方法2016crowdsound.net
众包歌曲创作实验
An experiment in crowd-sourced songwriting
导读
这是一个让网友众包投票写歌词、选音符的网站实验。评论者大多怀疑众包能否产出真正的艺术：没有受过训练的投票等于随机选择，真正关键的创作判断仍由个人掌握。这场讨论值得写作者思考「受众反馈」与「作者决策」的边界，也提供了反向利用大众偏好的创作思路。
可以直接用的写作要点
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众包投票适合收集偏好数据，不适合替作者做具体创作决策，把投票结果当素材而非答案。
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提前划定哪些部分交给受众、哪些留给自己（如结构骨架、和弦走向由作者掌控），作品才不会被「平均品味」抹平。
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反面偏好也是素材：像《最不受欢迎的歌》那样列出大众最讨厌的元素，反过来就是一份可用的清单。
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用「押注预测」而不是「喜好投票」来检验想法，可能逼出更真实的大众判断。
HN 评论精选
众包投票缺乏品味与专业训练，结果等同于随机选择；众包更适合当数据参考，而非创作决策。
大多数人在大多数时候是完全缺乏品味的，而且大多数人没受过任何音乐训练，哪怕只是用音乐软件玩几小时、对张力和解决、歌曲结构这类基本常识有点模糊概念也没有。这实际上就是在调内随机选音符；我敢打赌「不选音符」永远不会赢得投票，所以也不会有有趣的节奏变化。一个简单的脚本就能和这六万五千人做得一样好。不过，众包艺术作品确实可能有有意思的做法（尽管艺术价值存疑）。电影和电视的焦点小组已经做了几十年；也有人调查过流行和声与旋律，可以据此「科学地」造出符合大众口味的歌，但多数情况下你最终会掉进恐怖谷。
SwellJoe查看英文原文
The majority of the people are completely lacking in taste the majority of the time. Also, the majority of people have no musical training; not even a few hours tinkering with a music app to have a vague understanding of what makes a song meaningful; basic stuff like tension and resolution and song structure. This is effectively a random selection of notes within the key, and I bet "no note" will never win the vote, so there will be no interesting rhythmic variation. A simple script would work as well as these 65,000 people. That said, there probably are interesting (though questionable in their artistic merit) ways to crowd source an artistic work. Focus groups for films and TV shows and such have been happening for a couple decades. There have been interesting surveys of popular harmonies and melodies, which could be applied to scientifically build songs that fit what is popular (and I'm sure it has been done). The uncanny valley is probably where you'd end up in most cases, though; at least for now. Some interesting work in the area of understanding what crowds like: http://www.hooktheory.com/blog/i-analyzed-the-chords-of-1300-popular-songs-for-patterns-this-is-what-i-found/ http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/03/science/la-sci-hit-songs-computer-20120204 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hit_Song_Science
把大众偏好反过来用，也是一种有效的创作约束。
相关的一例：《最不受欢迎的歌》是艺术家 Komar 与 Melamid 和作曲家 Dave Soldier 于 1997 年创作的一首搞怪歌曲，刻意加入让多数人反感的元素：风笛、牛仔音乐、歌剧歌手说唱，还有一支劝人去沃尔玛购物的儿童合唱团。
cpeterso查看英文原文
Somewhat related: "The Most Unwanted Song" is a novelty song created by artists Komar and Melamid and composer Dave Soldier in 1997. The song was designed to incorporate lyrical and musical elements that were annoying to most people. These elements included bagpipes, cowboy music, an opera singer rapping, and a children's choir that urged listeners to go shopping at Walmart. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Unwanted_Song Most Unwanted Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gPuH1yeZ08 Most Wanted Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McIfIx29tSg
真正关键的艺术判断被留给了个人，众包只填了无伤大雅的空白。
「歌曲目前只是骨架，由艺术家演出时可自由发挥」——这是明智之举，而这一条群众没机会投票，和弦结构也一样。看起来像是有个人在努力让群众显得好看。
0xdeadbeefbabe查看英文原文
> The song is currently in skeleton form. When performed by artists, they are at liberty to use their artistic interpretation. That's a wise move for which the crowd didn't get to vote. Same goes for the chord structure. It's as if an individual is trying to make the crowd look good?
用押注和利益绑定代替单纯投票，可能更好地聚合大众判断。
如果能让人们为每个候选音符「购买」虚拟「股份」，猜对了就给虚拟奖励，这会有趣得多。
TheOtherHobbes查看英文原文
This would be a lot more interesting if you could "buy" pretend "shares" in each possible note and then get pretend "rewards" if your choices turned out to be correct.
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