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Ask HN：读书时你如何做笔记？
Ask HN: How do you take notes when reading a book?
导读
这是一个关于读书笔记方法的讨论帖：有人用记忆宫殿加每日规划本，有人边读边查资料并同步到个人 wiki，也有人干脆不做笔记。对写作者来说，这些人的做法说明，记笔记的价值往往要等到事后，才在整理、连接和复述中显现出来，而不在记笔记的当下。
可以直接用的写作要点
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不必逼自己边读边写出深刻的长久笔记：刚接触内容时最没有资格判断什么值得记；先保留“积木”，让想法沉淀后再整理。
- 02
把笔记按章节或主题拆成独立页面，阅读时用分屏或侧滑保持书本可见，让摘录和自己的概括自然积累起来。
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读完一本书后写一篇综述式书评，用自己的话总结收获；这比只写感想更能把书里的内容转化为可复用的写作素材。
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允许自己不做笔记：如果笔记只是分散注意力、事后也不会回看，不如专注阅读，必要时重读一遍。
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先用记忆和随手记录保住素材，等想法沉淀后再做跨主题的整合。
我的三步法：第一步用记忆宫殿，每天在固定“房间”的十个位置各放最多三样东西，用来记当天的要点；第二步每天在规划本上留一页，随手记零散想法和待读清单；第三步回看这些碎片时，再横向整理成跨天的总结或表格。以前我总想一开始就写出有用的长期笔记，但那时恰恰最没资格写出有洞见的笔记。让想法先发酵，先保住“积木”就好。
closed查看英文原文
This might sound nuts, but I have settled on a three step process that mostly involves keeping most notes in my head. Step 1 is using the method of loci (MoL) to memorize up to 30 things throughout the day. For context, MoL is a strategy where you visualize things you want to remember in a room. I have one "room" for each day of the month, with 10 spots in a room, and will often visualize up to 3 things in a spot (so 10 x 3 = 30 a day). I have 4 paths that each lead between 7 rooms, one path per week. Step 2 is just keeping a page of notes per day in a planner. This is really helpful for jotting miscellaneous things down (like future things to read, possible connections). Step 3 is that often as I'm thinking back over notes from step 1, or reading new things, I'll want to sort of "put it all together", or write up something that cuts across multiple days. There, I'll often refer to my planner, and might start a spreadsheet to keep references on. I think the problem before was that I'd wanted to write useful longterm notes when first learning / studying something. But that's probably when I'm least qualified to take really insightful notes. It's been nice to let things marinade, and focus on keeping the "building blocks" around! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_loci
边读边查、随时把零散想法汇入个人知识库，读完后用摘要式书评固化收获。
我在 Mac 上读书，遇到不懂的地方可以很快搜索、深入查证，然后从自己的 wiki 里打开对应主题的笔记来编辑。外出时先把想法记进 Telegram 的收藏消息，之后再转进 wiki 或写成文章；也会用 Excalidraw、Figma 做视觉化的概念连接。读完一本书后我会在 Goodreads 写书评，最近发现更有用的书评其实是摘要，所以试着在那里总结自己的收获。小说则主要靠听，重要内容同样记进 Telegram。我期待书都默认在线化，因为 PDF、Epub 无法即时链接到书中具体位置。
nikivi查看英文原文
I try to read books/papers on mac as it's faster to google and go deep into things I don't get. Select text (a+space and it queries selected text on google). Then it's trivial to open any note (with alfred) from my wiki (https://github.com/nikitavoloboev/knowledge) & edit it under appropriate topic. On the go, I usually note things down in Telegram saved messages and later transfer it to wiki or turn it into articles. Have macro to open saved messages instantly (https://github.com/nikitavoloboev/my-ios#widgets). Or I just pass it via share sheet. https://excalidraw.com & Figma is also great for visual thinking (tying concepts together). After I read a book, I review it in goodreads and recently realized that more useful reviews aren't just thoughts on the book but are summaries. So I try summarize my learnings from a book there. For fiction books, I usually listen to it & Audible has nice highlighting feature but mostly the same applies. Important stuff gets noted in Telegram. And as for apps I use PDF Expert to read PDFs on mac (love multi tab support), the Files app to read PDFs on iOS. And epub I read via Books app on mac/ios. I'm quite excited for http://holloway.com because all books should be online by default. PDFs/Epub is archaic and lose ability to link to specific parts of a book instantly. i.e. just looks at this (https://www.holloway.com/g/alice-in-wonderland), so much nicer to read. What would be even more amazing is when you can take ability to note under any line in a book (as Holloway already lets you), and see everyone's notes for any line/chapter of the book/paper you are reading. Similar to what https://fermatslibrary.com is doing.
如果笔记只会分散注意力且不会被回看，不如专注阅读、必要时重读。
我不做笔记，觉得它分散注意力，反而吸收得更少。少数几次尝试做笔记，事后几乎不回看，回看时也觉得价值不大。我记性不错，也愿意重读来加深吸收，但笔记从没帮上忙。这不是批评做笔记，只是提供另一种视角。
caymanjim查看英文原文
I don't take notes. I find it distracting. I end up absorbing less information. The few times I did try taking notes, I rarely referred back to them, and when I did, found that they weren't very valuable. I've got a good memory, and I'm willing to reread something to absorb more, but notes have never helped me. Not criticizing note-taking; just offering another perspective.
用侧滑笔记窗口按章节建页，兼顾记录和持续阅读。
我用 Ulysses 写作应用，以 MultiMarkdown 格式做笔记。我把它设为侧滑窗口，阅读时从屏幕边缘滑出，这样就不会看不到书。每章建一个 sheet。
LancashireArrow查看英文原文
I use the excellent Ulysses writing app that allows me to take notes in multimarkdown. I use it as a slide over app so I can just slide from the edge of the screen while reading and never lose sight of the book. I create a sheet for each chapter.
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