HN 写作课

工程师们二十年里聊过的写作。

工程师、作家、编辑和创业者在 Hacker News 上聊了二十年“怎么写”:怎么写得清楚、怎么讲好一个故事、技术文档怎么写、小说和出版是怎么回事。这里把其中关于写作与讲故事的帖子挑出来,配上中文导读、可以直接用的写作要点和评论翻译。

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    1. 01

      从全量里捞

      读取 Hacker News 自 2006 年以来的全部帖子,用关键词先捞出 40 分以上、可能和写作有关的约 1.1 万篇。

    2. 02

      只留真正讲写作的

      由 AI 逐条判断是否和写作、讲故事、文风、出版有实质关系,剔除“写代码”“编辑器”这类字面撞车,并分进十个类别。

    3. 03

      提炼可用的要点

      为值得读的帖子写中文导读,提炼 2-4 条可以直接用到自己写作里的要点,并精选翻译 HN 高赞评论。内容由 AI 生成,可能有误。

    写作与思考2022solimanwrites.com编辑精选

    写作:一项被误解的活动

    Writing: A misunderstood activity

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    63条评论
    5条写作要点

    导读

    这篇文章主张写作不只是产出文字,而是思考、学习和探索的工具,值得写作者重视日常的写作练习。但评论区很有价值:多位读者指出文章本身写得并不好、语气还带着优越感,正好说明「讲写作的人更要写好、改好」。配套讨论还谈到了编辑的作用、以及评论/短贴算不算写作,对练习写作的人很有启发。

    关键词 写作习惯修改与编辑语气与读者职场写作

    可以直接用的写作要点

    1. 01

      把写作当成思考工具:想不清楚的事情,先写下来再想,写的过程本身就是梳理。

    2. 02

      讲写作道理的文章更要在文字上过关,否则读者会先怀疑你的可信度,再拒绝你的观点。

    3. 03

      别指望初稿能见人:好文章是改出来的,找一个有耐心的编辑或读者帮你看出自己看不见的问题。

    4. 04

      写评论、写帖子、写工作消息都算写作练习,不必等到「正式写作」才开始练笔。

    5. 05

      开篇避免居高临下的语气,先与读者建立共同立场,观点才容易被接受。

    HN 评论精选

    认同观点,但指出「教写作的人自己没写好」会严重损害说服力。

    我完全认同写作对思考、学习和探索的价值,也觉得很多人在职场里因为默认「开个短会吧」而缺少练笔机会。但遗憾的是,这篇文章本身写得不好——个人博客不要求专业编辑水准,可作者是在做写作课程(大概还收费)的人,标准应该更高。

    dcatx查看英文原文

    Yes, it is important to write and I wish that many folks I've worked with in the past had been better writers (and readers). I am job searching right now after leaving a very, very meeting heavy culture and one of my top criteria is finding a company that values asynchronous discussion and written communication whenever possible. I'm totally aligned with the author on the value of writing as a tool for thinking, learning, and exploring and I agree that there are blockers for some folks that make them less likely to stretch their writing muscles, especially in professional settings where the default is often "let's jump on a quick call". Sadly, the article is poorly written. I don't expect professional-level editing on a personal blog, but I would hope for a higher standard when the piece is written by someone who is building and (presumably) charging money for a course on writing.

    天赋是错觉,好编辑和反复修改才是成稿的关键。

    我认识一位极有才华的英语教授,他说:「你觉得我有才华,是因为你没读过我编辑被迫啃下的那几十版惨不忍睹的草稿。」后来我自己也有了编辑,果然如此:读者完全看不出我有多不擅长,还以为我有点天赋,其实我只是找到了一个足够有耐心的人帮我把垃圾打磨成型。所以我想补充第四条:写作很重要,但有一个能看穿你内化的坏习惯、帮你写出恰当文字的好编辑,几乎是无价的。

    hluska查看英文原文

    I remember an English professor who I considered an extremely talented writer. He said, “you think I’m talented because you never had to suffer through the dozens of unreadable drafts that my editor had to.” Later on, I started working with an editor and sure enough, the editor had to suffer through unreadable drafts but the end reader had no idea how incompetent I was. They could be excused for thinking I have a bit of talent when in reality, I just found someone with enough patience to massage my crap. So I would add in a number four. Yes, it’s important to write. But having a good editor who can see through all the crap you’ve internalized and who can help you deliver the right words?? That’s just about priceless…

    评论和社交媒体发言也是写作,值得被认真对待。

    这算「写作」吗?我在 HN 上写评论,算不算那种「好的」写作?没人要求我写,我也没在记录什么(顶多是我的观点),而且我对自己写的题目远远不够格。发推算吗?在 Reddit、Facebook、LinkedIn 上评论算吗?如果算,也许我们该更尊重这些平台——它们让那些本来绝不会为写作而写作的人,也有机会用文字表达自己。

    TameAntelope查看英文原文

    Does this count as "Writing"? I write comments on HN, am I doing the "good" kind of writing? * Nobody (and I mean nobody) is asking me to write comments, * I'm not documenting anything (perhaps my opinion on something), and * I am vastly under-qualified to write about the topics I "write" about. Does tweeting count? Does commenting on Reddit/Facebook/LinkedIn/MySpace/etc. count? If so, I think maybe it's time we give those platforms (and indeed this one) more respect; they're places that encourage people who wouldn't ever write for its own sake a way to express themselves through the written word.

    傲慢的语气会让读者在读到观点之前就关上耳朵。

    前几段那股优越感太重,很难读下去,立刻让我不想去和作者找共同点、也不想认同或吸收他的观点。这篇文章似乎有一半目的是让读者相信作者是个伟大的作家、是在以权威身份说话,然后才慷慨地从百忙之中给出相当泛泛的建议:多写,你也能写得更好。也可能全是反讽,只是我没看出来。

    vurudlxtyt查看英文原文

    Hard to read this with the level of snob-factor immediately present in the first couple paragraphs. Right away, it put me off on wanting to find common ground with the author to agree with or internalize their points. It seems that half the purpose of this is to convince the reader that the author is a great writer, speaking from a position of authority, followed by rather generic advice they generously take time from their busy day to offer: write more so you, too, can get better at writing. Or perhaps it was all tongue-in-cheek, and I just didn't pick it up.

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