出版与作家生涯2022news.ycombinator.com
Ask HN：有没有面向写作者的 Hacker News？
Ask HN: Is there a Hacker News for writers?
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这是一则 Ask HN 提问：有没有像 Hacker News 那样高质量、理性讨论的写作社区，尤其是小说写作？评论者从社区运营和写作行业现实两个角度给出回答：写作圈的知识往往被视为个人竞争优势，因此难以共享；虚构写作缺少“新闻性”，很难撑起类似 HN 的日常讨论；而好的社区往往规模小、审核克制、非营利。对写作者而言，这篇值得读的地方在于它反过来说明：写作进步更依赖大量阅读经典、找到小圈子反馈，而不是刷信息流。
可以直接用的写作要点
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别指望靠刷写作社区获得进步：虚构写作没有技术圈那样的“新闻驱动”，真正的根基是大量读经典作品。
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把你找到的稀有素材写出来再分享，而不是先在群里说；独特素材本身就是你的竞争力。
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主动加入或组织小而精、审核克制、非营利的写作小圈子，比混大平台更可能拿到真反馈。
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警惕社区和论坛变成分心工具：设定“只为解决具体写作问题才去逛”的规则，逛完就回到稿子上。
HN 评论精选
独家素材是写作者的资产，因此写作圈天然缺乏共享氛围。
不少写作者和艺术家嘴上讲共享知识，但写作与艺术市场的现实是：独有的知识和素材是职业优势。你若在某个在线档案里翻到一本罕见的19世纪旅行日记，第一反应绝不会是分享，而是先确认自己用不上它。唯一例外是别人已完成的作品（长文、书），但那不需要“写作者专属”的社区，一个更泛的“审美爱好者版 HN”可能更合适。
campbellmorgan查看英文原文
I have discussed this idea with friends who are writers / artists. Call me a cynic, but while many writers / artists aspire to collective shared knowledge, the reality of both the writing and art market is that unique knowledge is an important differentiator and an asset to their careers. If you do find a fascinating, rare 19th century travel journal in some online archive the last thing you are going to do is share it with others like you until you're sure that you're not going to use it as material yourself. The exception to this being other writers completed work (ie long-form articles, books), but that probably doesn't need a focus on writers / artists per se and a more general "aesthete" HN might work better...
分类型的 Discord 可行，但要解决分心和把关问题，并给新人明确引导。
LitRPG 有一个按类型划分的 Discord，最初面向读者，但很多作者也泡在那里，认证作者有标签甚至专属频道。对作者的问题是：它会像 HN 一样变成分心源，被大众发现后更严重。这很适合有精力做版务的人来做，难点在于区分“真作者”和只想 @ 偶像的读者；如果有人肯带新人，这里会是很好的求助地。另外推荐播客 Writing Excuses，多位成熟作者已做了十五季，持续换嘉宾保持新鲜；他们当然也卖书和写作课，但建议真诚有用。
technofiend查看英文原文
There's a genre-specific discord for litrpg and although it was originally geared towards readers many of the authors hang there. Verified authors get a tag and probably even their own channel, but I'm not sure about that since I'm not a verified author. The downside I see for authors is like HN it could prove a distraction, possibly even more so if the general public discovers it for all the usual reasons. It sounds like a great project for someone who wants to spend the time and energy moderating a forum, slack, discord or what have you. The issue will be gatekeeping "real" and aspiring authors from people who just want a way to @ their favorite author about something. It would potentially be a great place to get advice if people took the time to direct new writers. As an aside - the podcast Writing Excuses is a great place for new authors to find hours of advice from established authors in several different genres. The show regularly rotates in new guest authors, keeping the topics fresh despite being on their 15th season. Of course like any entrepreneur they have something to sell - their books and writing workshops - but for all that their advice is sincere and useful. https://writingexcuses.com And there is allegedly a discussion forum somewhere on the site although I've never sought it out.
好社区的配方是规模小、审核轻、非营利；增长和商业化会杀死质量。
我淘了二十年网络社区，从论坛、4chan 到 Digg、Reddit、HN。HN 的用户质量、投入度和热情都属顶级，很难复制。我认为好的兴趣社区配方是：审核克制、规模小、非营利导向；Reddit 上曾经的优秀社区就是被巨大增长、广告驱动的领导和强硬的政治化审核毁掉的。有意思的是，我觉得 4chan 的 /lit/ 讨论书和写作相当好，比多数板块更扎实热情，虽然偶尔有戾气帖，但无审查的开放氛围吸引了不少聪明人。Discord 有潜力，但信息流太快、审核又重，只是热门写作 subreddit 的加速版。我希望有人做个便宜易用的 HN 克隆外壳，让各种兴趣都能自建这样的社区。
sinecure查看英文原文
I've spent decades exploring online communities (haven't we all?). From forums to 4chan, from Digg to reddit to hacker news. I would say that hacker news has one of the highest quality, most engaged and passionate user bases around... a rare feat. To replicate a place like this for other interests would be a dream. I think the recipe for a good, interests based community is limited moderation, small scale, and a non-profit orientation. Because even once great communities on reddit have been poisoned by their massive growth and ad driven leadership combined with heavy handed, political moderation. Oddly enough, I have found /lit/ on 4chan to be one of the best communities for discussing books and writing. They are more grounded and passionate than most of the other Chans and while you'll still find the occasional edgy post or nonsense, the censorship free and open community has some brilliant minds engaging there. Discord has potential, but the constant flow of information and the reliance on typically heavy handed moderation make it just a faster version of popular writing subreddits. I wish someone could make a cheap and easy shell to quickly make "hacker news" like clones that people could run for given interests, to create communities like this one geared towards other interests.
小说写作缺乏“新闻性”，讨论基础应回到经典的大量阅读。
难处在于虚构写作没有多少“新闻”或紧迫议题。当代小说本身不够扎实，不足以成为写作学习的基础，经典作品才是。这与编程不同：新方法、技术动态能直接用在最好的作品上。你要人为制造文学批评的紧迫感，而这要求用户群本身读过大量作品。
blockwriter查看英文原文
It's difficult because there is not a lot of news or pressing issues in fiction. Contemporary fiction is not robust enough for it to be the basis of an aspiring writer's study. Canonical works are. This is distinct from coding, where new methods, and news about developments in technology, are directly applicable to the best work being done. You would need to create a sense of urgency about literary criticism, but this requires an abundance of reading on the part of the user base.
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