HN 写作课

工程师们二十年里聊过的写作。

工程师、作家、编辑和创业者在 Hacker News 上聊了二十年“怎么写”:怎么写得清楚、怎么讲好一个故事、技术文档怎么写、小说和出版是怎么回事。这里把其中关于写作与讲故事的帖子挑出来,配上中文导读、可以直接用的写作要点和评论翻译。

从必读开始
  • 2,600+篇关于写作的 HN 讨论

Writing tips

写作锦囊

正在抽一条写作要点…

Essential

必读 30 篇

在讨论库里看全部精选

编辑精选里 HN 讨论最热的 30 篇,每篇都有中文导读和写作要点。

  1. 正在载入…

Archive

讨论库

按发帖年份分布,点柱子筛选。

排序

    About

    这些讨论是怎么挑出来的

    1. 01

      从全量里捞

      读取 Hacker News 自 2006 年以来的全部帖子,用关键词先捞出 40 分以上、可能和写作有关的约 1.1 万篇。

    2. 02

      只留真正讲写作的

      由 AI 逐条判断是否和写作、讲故事、文风、出版有实质关系,剔除“写代码”“编辑器”这类字面撞车,并分进十个类别。

    3. 03

      提炼可用的要点

      为值得读的帖子写中文导读,提炼 2-4 条可以直接用到自己写作里的要点,并精选翻译 HN 高赞评论。内容由 AI 生成,可能有误。

    文案与商业写作2013blogs.hbr.org

    想涨价?先讲一个更好的故事

    If You Want to Raise Prices, Tell a Better Story

    阅读原文 HN 讨论
    131HN 得分
    31条评论
    4条写作要点

    导读

    这篇文章主张:给产品配上更好的故事,就能支撑更高的定价。对写作者来说,它展示了叙事如何创造感知价值,也提醒我们:故事必须建立在真实与一致的声音之上;否则,它就只是包装话术。

    关键词 故事营销定价产品文案真实性

    可以直接用的写作要点

    1. 01

      与其罗列产品参数,不如把参数翻译成读者能感知的利益点,故事就藏在利益里。

    2. 02

      故事能解释溢价,但前提是不撒谎;编造的叙事一旦被识破,反而会伤害信任。

    3. 03

      一致的声音和叙事风格最难也最关键,它决定故事是否可信。

    4. 04

      很多消费其实是在为身份感买单,故事要触及读者“想成为什么样的人”的想象。

    HN 评论精选

    好文案能提升销售,但真实与一致的叙事风格才是真正的难点。

    这不就是 J. Peterman 那套故事的翻版吗?给普通物品配上优美的长文案确实能卖得更好,这个现象存在很久了。关键在于:a) 你不能撒谎(有些故事就在撒谎);b) 形成一致的声音和叙事其实相当困难。(免责声明:我曾是 J. Peterman 的 CTO。)

    MattRogish查看英文原文

    Isn't this just The J. Peterman story re-told? http://37signals.com/svn/posts/1677-j-peterman-selling-stories-not-just-products Yes, putting nice, long-form copy around regular objects will get them to sell better. I'm pretty sure this phenomenon has been around for a long, long time. The big thing is a) you can't lie (like some of those stories do) and b) coming up with a consistent voice and narrative is actually quite difficult. (Disclaimer: I used to be the CTO of J. Peterman)

    把参数翻译成利益点,故事就藏在利益里。

    当确实有故事可讲时,这个说法成立。我认为可以聚焦物品的“利益点”来简化故事。比如我收到的一封促销邮件里,手表只列了参数:石英机芯、表径 43mm、矿物水晶、不锈钢表壳、黑色表盘、防水 50 米。改写成故事后:“走上街头,带出风格与自信。这块表有大表盘、钢表壳,石英机芯比你的手机信号还可靠!就算遇到比想象更深的水坑,它也扛得住。”——故事就藏在利益点里。买 10 美元手表的人,谁真的在乎石英机芯是什么?

    mgaphysics查看英文原文

    This makes sense when there is, in fact, a story to tell. Depending on the item, I think that the story can be simplified by concentrating on the BENEFITS of the item. For example this is the description of a watch for sale in a daily deal I just received on email: Lancaster XXXX Quartz movement Case diameter: 43mm Mineral crystal protects watch Stainless-steel case; black dial Water-resistant to 165 feet (50 M) Rewrite, with story: When you hit the street, do it with style and confidence. The Lancaster XXXX features a big face, steel case (unapologetic rhyme there), and a quartz movement that is more reliable than your cell phone service! Oh yeah, and if that unassuming pothole is deeper than you thought, this watch will survive a dip in the water. So you get the general idea, there is a story in the benefits. After all, how many people buying a $10 watch really care or know what a quartz movement or mineral crystal are?

    消费者常为地位而买,故事通过身份想象起作用;但原文的实验证据并不充分。

    首先,这个实验没有对照组:得先知道同样的东西在 eBay 上不带故事能卖多少,否则 27 倍的差距可能只是因为挂到了 eBay 上。其次,这套建议能否推广到其他产品也存疑——对艺术品和古董很明显,对科技产品就不然。但“故事”这个概念确实适用于许多消费品,因为大多数消费品至少部分是为地位而买的。比如懂技术的人买笔记本,超出基本需求的部分多半由感知到的地位提升驱动,而不是那些功能带来的额外便利;买完后功能带来的兴奋很快消退,就是明证。

    mistercow查看英文原文

    First off, there's no control in this experiment. You'd need to find out how much they sell for on ebay without the story. Otherwise, the entire factor of 27 could simply be from listing it on ebay. Second, it's iffy whether this advice generalizes to other types of products. It's obvious when it comes to art and antiques. It's less obvious when it comes to technology products. But to some extent, while this article doesn't provide good evidence, the "story" concept can arguably be applied to many other consumer products. Most consumer products are purchased at least in part for status, regardless of the buyer's conscious intent. For example: A tech savvy person buying a laptop may actually need the laptop, but anything they buy over the bare necessities is likely driven largely by the perceived status boost obtained thereby, not by the extra convenience those features will afford. The reason it feels good to imagine having lots of computing power at your finger tips is not that you are conceiving of that convenience, but that your status-increasing hardware is perceiving that in that fantasy, you have higher status than you do now. You are imagining being the kind of fancy schmancy person who has a computer with that much power. Whether you realize that consciously is irrelevant. The telltale sign of this is that after purchasing the laptop, the thrill of those features dies off rapidly. That's not just that you're getting used to the convenience; that would take longer. Rather, your status seeking instinct has assimilated the high speed computer into "status quo" and has turned its avarice to other status symbols. So in that sense, "stories" attached to consumer products can increase their value. There's a reason that Steve Jobs liked to mention that the Titanium PowerBook was made of the same alloy used in space shuttles, for example. What I wonder is whether businesses are as susceptible to that kind of pressure. My gut tells me "no", but perhaps the people making the buying decisions will still want to bring high status talismans back to their "tribe".

    编造的故事不可取,销售应建立在真实的故事之上。

    用编造的故事去包装没人想要的物品,哪怕再花哨,也不是用故事提价或促进销售的好办法,对想做出人们真正想要的产品的创业公司更没帮助。我推荐一个更好的例子 thisisstory.com:它用故事来销售,却不依赖离奇的虚构,线上线下结合、商品与品牌角度都有意思,还能为企业引入产品、做新品调研。

    kjhughes查看英文原文

    Wrapping unwanted objects in fabricated stories, however colorful, is not an ideal way to use stories to raise prices or facilitate sales. It's also hardly helpful for startups looking to build products people want (as opposed to peddle junk nobody would normally want). Let me suggest a more inspirational example of leveraging stories in sales: http://thisisstory.com/ And the founder's TEDx talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbnWY-swsK0 This company uses stories to sell without relying on outlandish fiction. They have interesting blends of off- and on- line operations, merchandising and branding angles, and opportunities to introduce products for companies or conduct marketing research for potential new products.

    同类还值得读

    1. 好文笔是一种商业优势

      Good writing is a business advantage

      这是广告人 George Tannenbaum 的一篇博客短文,主张清晰的写作在商业中是实打实的竞争优势——能把事情说明白的人,在会议、邮件、提案里就已经赢了一半。

      文案与商业写作2020 · 449 分 · 198 评4 条写作要点编辑精选
    2. 如何为落地页撰写文案

      Writing copy for landing pages

      这是 Stripe Atlas 关于落地页文案的写作指南,核心是把文案当成回答读者疑问的工具,而不是自我表达。

      文案与商业写作2018 · 416 分 · 84 评4 条写作要点编辑精选
    3. 我曾是扎克伯格的演讲稿撰写人

      I was Zuckerberg’s speechwriter

      这篇是第一人称回忆:作者曾为扎克伯格写演讲稿,借此复盘在剑桥分析丑闻前后,科技巨头的公开表达如何被构思、修饰和交付。

      文案与商业写作2018 · 347 分 · 254 评4 条写作要点编辑精选
    4. 一句话产品描述写作的艺术

      The Art of Writing One-Sentence Product Descriptions

      这篇文章讨论如何为产品写一句话描述,核心是把复杂产品压缩成一个能打动人的句子。

      文案与商业写作2017 · 335 分 · 57 评4 条写作要点编辑精选
    5. Ask HN:为技术岗位写求职信

      Ask HN: Writing cover letters for tech jobs

      这篇 HN 讨论科技岗位是否需要写求职信、写给谁看、用什么语气和格式。

      文案与商业写作2017 · 265 分 · 123 评4 条写作要点编辑精选

    打赏支持

    打赏二维码

    觉得有用,请作者喝杯咖啡。

    WeChat

    关注向阳乔木

    微信公众号「向阳乔木推荐看」

    微信公众号「向阳乔木推荐看」二维码

    微信扫一扫;在微信里打开本页时,长按二维码识别。