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工程师们二十年里聊过的写作。

工程师、作家、编辑和创业者在 Hacker News 上聊了二十年“怎么写”:怎么写得清楚、怎么讲好一个故事、技术文档怎么写、小说和出版是怎么回事。这里把其中关于写作与讲故事的帖子挑出来,配上中文导读、可以直接用的写作要点和评论翻译。

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    1. 01

      从全量里捞

      读取 Hacker News 自 2006 年以来的全部帖子,用关键词先捞出 40 分以上、可能和写作有关的约 1.1 万篇。

    2. 02

      只留真正讲写作的

      由 AI 逐条判断是否和写作、讲故事、文风、出版有实质关系,剔除“写代码”“编辑器”这类字面撞车,并分进十个类别。

    3. 03

      提炼可用的要点

      为值得读的帖子写中文导读,提炼 2-4 条可以直接用到自己写作里的要点,并精选翻译 HN 高赞评论。内容由 AI 生成,可能有误。

    AI 与写作2017techcrunch.com

    谷歌资助开发自动撰写本地新闻的软件

    Google is funding the creation of software that writes local news stories

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    2017 年 TechCrunch 报道 Google 资助开发自动撰写本地新闻的软件,HN 评论围绕 AI 生成内容是否可读、是否有意义展开争论。对写作者而言,这是一次反向提醒:什么样的文字才算“有意义”——细节要服务于理解,叙事要基于经验,信息要能帮读者筛选而非增加噪音。

    关键词 AI写作新闻写作内容质量叙事

    可以直接用的写作要点

    1. 01

      精确数字和细节本身不构成意义;每个细节都要让读者读懂,否则只是“古怪的具体”。

    2. 02

      把原始数据或信息转成有观点、有张力的叙事,才是写作的价值所在(如里根把电报纸条讲成现场解说)。

    3. 03

      意义来自读者的切身经验,写作要调用具体情境与感受,而不是只拼接词句模式。

    4. 04

      篇幅和详略可按读者兴趣伸缩:先想清楚读者需要什么,再决定展开还是压缩。

    HN 评论精选

    AI 文本的典型破绽是堆砌精确数字却无可读意义,读者需要标注与过滤。

    我在研究一只股票时读到这篇文章,读着读着一直觉得:这不是人写的,是软件写的。我查了署名,上面有个人名。当然,谁都能写点东西发出来,这大概也只是又一个例子。但那种古怪的文风,既不像“按我的思路写”,也不像赶时间没编辑就发。比如第二段:“The corresponding low also paints a picture and suggests that the low is nothing but a 97.89% since 11/14/16.” 我完全无法从中读出任何意义,可它又带着古怪的具体细节。我不乐见这种趋势,也不乐见 Google 走上这条路。我想这不可避免,除非这套 AI 内置了专业能力,能替我从未数据中提炼意义,并呈现得比我更有洞见、更有趣,否则它只会成为又一种我需要过滤的谷壳。至少,能不能请把 AI 生成的文字标注出来?

    11thEarlOfMar查看英文原文

    I ran across this article while researching a stock and as I read, I kept thinking, "This was not written by a person. This was written by software." [0] I checked the attribution, and there is a person's name on it. Sure, any hack can write and publish and this is probably just another example. But the odd style doesn't even strike me as 'writing the way I think' or writing and publishing quickly without editing. For example, from the 2nd paragraph, "The corresponding low also paints a picture and suggests that the low is nothing but a 97.89% since 11/14/16." I can't gather any meaning from that statement, yet it has oddly specific details. I am not glad to see this trend and not glad that Google is embarking on this path. I suppose it is inevitable, but unless there is expertise built into this AI that can extract meaning from data on my behalf and present it in a way that is more insightful and interesting than I am, it will become yet another source of chaff I'll have to filter. Can we at least, please, flag AI generated prose as such? [0] https://www.nystocknews.com/2017/07/05/tesla-inc-tsla-showcases-what-it-has-to-offer-via-the-technical-chart/

    语义来自具身经验,AI 只有字符串模式,写不出真正有意义的新闻。

    我非常怀疑当前这一代 AI 能写出像样的新闻,哪怕是最“容易”的题材。AI 也许能产出那种自相矛盾、本质上无意义的词串,但连那种东西背后也缺少统一的意图。特朗普至少还能一贯地调动某种原始的 #MAGA 情绪,我怀疑 AI 连这都做不到。如果 AI 真能写出像样的新闻、且陈述始终有意义,那对语言学理论会有巨大影响。目前我们无法在计算机中表示抽象的语义;比如我说“正义”,你们都懂,因为你们在个人生活中有过“正义”(或其反面,如霸凌)的切身经验。AI 从未接触过这种具身的、经验性的输入,它只能接触人类产出的字符串模式。既然输入更少,凭什么指望它产出和我们一样的输出?有人说新闻不是小说,所需理解门槛更低——我不这么认为。我们往往低估了哪怕最基础的语言使用中的具身性。

    igammarays查看英文原文

    Color me extremely skeptical that current-generation AI can ever write decent quality news articles, even on the "easiest" subjects (i.e. non-emotional topics that may be most amenable to computerization). Sure, an AI might be able to produce the type of contradictory and fundamentally meaningless strings-of-words that characterize Trumpian speech, but even that would lack a unified agenda behind it. Even Trump seems to appeal to some raw masculine #MAGA emotion pretty consistently, but I doubt an AI would be able to do even that. If an AI could produce decent news articles with consistently meaningful statements, I think it would have huge implications for linguistic theory. Currently, we have no way of representing abstract semantic meaning in a computer, for example when I say the word "justice", you all know what I'm talking about because you all have embodied experiences of "justice" (or its opposite) in your personal lives (e.g. bullying). An AI simply never had access to this kind of embodied, experiential input. It only has access to patterns of strings that we humans produce. And so why should we expect an AI to be able to ever produce the same output that we produce when it has access to less input? Sure, one might argue that news articles are not novels, and so require a lower threshold of understanding to produce. I don't think so. We tend to underestimate the embodied nature of even the most basic use of language[0]. [0] See The Embodied Mind by Varela, Thompson, and Rosch.

    新闻写作的核心是把原始信息转成有张力的叙事,且篇幅可随读者兴趣伸缩。

    讽刺的是,这正是广播新闻的起点。里根当“体育解说员”时,实际是读比赛进程的电报纸条(“史密斯上场。第一球好球未挥。第二球安打”),再编出一个激动人心的故事配上:“史密斯走向本垒。他绷紧肌肉,踢了踢土,摆好姿势。第一球他没挥……好球!下一球来了……他挥棒……球扎实地飞向三垒。是界外吗?不!!他安全上一垒!!!”其实大多数“新闻”文章本来也就几段长,完全可以按读者的兴趣当场扩写或压缩。

    gumby查看英文原文

    The irony is that the I how radio news got its start. Ronald Reagan became an actor after being a "sports announcer" -- what he really did was read the ticker tape of a game in progress ("smith at plate. first ball strike no swing. Second ball base hit") and create an exciting story to go with it "And smith steps up to the plate. He flexes his muscles, kicks the ground and takes his stance. He passes on the first ball....strike! Here's the next pitch...he swings...solid towards third base. Is it a foul? NO!! AND HE'S SAFE ON FIRST BASE!!!" Really most "news" articles are only a couple of paragraphs long anyway and could be expanded or contracted on the spot to match the interest of the reader.

    低质自动内容会稀释信息环境,写作者更应提供真正的洞见。

    我强烈希望机器人写的新闻不存在,不出现在我的搜索结果里,也不出现在我读的任何信息流里。它是污染,让真实的信息和洞见更难被找到。真有人喜欢这种东西吗?

    jimrandomh查看英文原文

    I would strongly prefer that robo-written news not exist, not appear in the results of any searches I make, and not appear in any feed that I read. It is pollution that makes real information and insight harder to find. Does anyone actually like this stuff?

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