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工程师、作家、编辑和创业者在 Hacker News 上聊了二十年“怎么写”:怎么写得清楚、怎么讲好一个故事、技术文档怎么写、小说和出版是怎么回事。这里把其中关于写作与讲故事的帖子挑出来,配上中文导读、可以直接用的写作要点和评论翻译。

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      从全量里捞

      读取 Hacker News 自 2006 年以来的全部帖子,用关键词先捞出 40 分以上、可能和写作有关的约 1.1 万篇。

    2. 02

      只留真正讲写作的

      由 AI 逐条判断是否和写作、讲故事、文风、出版有实质关系,剔除“写代码”“编辑器”这类字面撞车,并分进十个类别。

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      提炼可用的要点

      为值得读的帖子写中文导读,提炼 2-4 条可以直接用到自己写作里的要点,并精选翻译 HN 高赞评论。内容由 AI 生成,可能有误。

    写作与思考2021danluu.com编辑精选

    关于写作的一些思考

    Some thoughts on writing

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    导读

    这是 Dan Luu 一篇关于写作的随笔,他有意不写成"写作指南",而是谈自己对写作的观察和个人做法,语气克制、近乎科学化。对写作者值得一读的地方在于:它提供了一种不套路的写作视角,而且文章本身就是"清晰、少修饰"文风的一个范例。

    关键词 写作方法文风阅读与模仿清晰表达

    可以直接用的写作要点

    1. 01

      把"写作建议"当参考而非公式:同一套方法对不同作者效果差别很大,先找到适合自己与读者的写法。

    2. 02

      用冷静、中性的语气把事实说清楚,往往比堆砌权威口吻更有说服力。

    3. 03

      初学阶段模仿范本是正当路径:先模仿具体做法,再理解背后的原理,不必因为"只是在模仿"而焦虑。

    4. 04

      首次出现缩写时先写出全称,别让读者为了搞懂一个词去点链接或猜。

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    写作的另一半是大量阅读已出版作品;初学者从模仿起步是正当且有效的。

    有意思,我不会这样对比 Dan 和 Paul Graham 的文风。Dan 偏冷静,语气中性、近乎科学式;PG 确实更有权威感,但还带着一种唱反调、近乎 Pauline Kael 式的气质——像"书呆子不在乎光鲜,所以纽约的吸引力对他们是个谜"这类句子不只是权威,而是挑衅、甚至近乎刻意冒犯。我有点意外,Dan 这篇写得很好的文章没提写作的平衡项:阅读。想写就要大量读,我的写作受 James Baldwin、Robert Caro、Calvin Trillin 等人影响很大;尤其要读已出版的作品——我也爱读博客,但博客和书、高质量报刊文章的质量差距明显。有人会说阅读会导致模仿,但我不认为模仿一定坏:专家未必擅长教学,因为他们掌握了深层通用理论,就以为人人都该从理论学起,而初学者其实学不了深理论,得先模仿网球教练的发球,再去理解发球的原理。

    hardwaregeek查看英文原文

    It's interesting, I wouldn't have described Dan's writing vs Paul Graham's writing in that manner. Dan tends to be rather affect-less, with a very neutral, almost scientific tone. I agree that PG is more authoritative but there's also this contrarian, almost Pauline Kael-esque quality to his writing. Phrases like "Nerds don't care about glamour, so to them the appeal of New York is a mystery." aren't just authoritative, they're provocative and almost purposefully insulting. I'm a little surprised that Dan wrote this otherwise very nice post on writing and didn't mention the counterbalance to writing: reading. If you want to write, read a lot. My writing owes a lot to writers such as James Baldwin, Robert Caro, Calvin Trillin, etc. Specifically, read published works. I love reading a blog post as much as anyone else but there is a marked difference in quality between a blog post and a book or a high quality newspaper article. One could argue that reading leads to aping but I disagree that aping is necessarily bad. Experts do not always have good ideas on how to teach because they understand the deep, universal theory and therefore think that everybody should learn from the deep, universal theory. In truth, beginners can't and won't learn deep theory. You have to start with imitating your tennis instructor's serve and then move onto the underlying concept of how a serve works. Complaining that beginners don't know the underlying theory and are just imitating is essentially complaining that beginners are beginners. Plus mimicry is a good way to learn. When I fenced, I remember that some fencers would mimic famous fencers as a joke. But it really did help them find their own style by letting them play with the different styles and think outside their own conventions. Thus my advice: read a lot of books; imitate as much as you like; and write a lot.

    写作建议高度个人化,受众与名气的影响可能大于技巧本身。

    各种写作建议我都试过,很难说哪条真正管用。写作是主观的,对一位作者有效的方法对另一位可能无效;读者的构成和作者的名气,恐怕比具体技巧更重要。

    paulpauper查看英文原文

    I have tried every tip/advice under the sun and cannot say any of them have worked. Writing is subjective. What works for one author will not work for another. I think the audience and name recognition matters more than specific tips or strategies..

    首次出现缩写要先写全称,别让读者自己去猜。

    分析了这么多,却只见树木不见森林:他违反了写作里最基本的一条——首次使用生僻缩写(这里是 RC)前必须先给出全称,写成"Recourse (RC)",之后才能用缩写。我不该为了搞清 RC 是什么而去点链接,真让人恼火。

    fullstackchris查看英文原文

    All this analysis and commentary and he can't see the forest from the trees. He breaks one of the most important rules in writing: when using an uncommon acronym, in this case "RC", one should _always_ provide the full name for it first before using the acronym, i.e. in this case writing "Recourse (RC)", then one can continue to use the acronym. I shouldn't have to click RC to figure out what it is. Infuriating.

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